tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post115004687800518547..comments2023-11-02T12:15:47.847+00:00Comments on Quinquireme: Here Is The Newspatroclushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150366535342655512006-06-15T11:15:00.000+01:002006-06-15T11:15:00.000+01:00Suddenly my friend talking about his 'wiki' 5 year...Suddenly my friend talking about his 'wiki' 5 years ago makes sense. I didn't like to ask at the time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150306679656150602006-06-14T18:37:00.000+01:002006-06-14T18:37:00.000+01:00This is all a scary flashback to my Media and Cult...This is all a scary flashback to my Media and Cultural Studies degree (which I believe is owned by Disney). Is there going to be a test?Kellycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797282722193770819noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150296038331013522006-06-14T15:40:00.000+01:002006-06-14T15:40:00.000+01:00i don't understand any of this. can we talk about ...i don't understand any of this. can we talk about buttons again now?surly girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16414631534757427023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150275332045984692006-06-14T09:55:00.000+01:002006-06-14T09:55:00.000+01:00Wiki always reminds me of trying to breakdance to ...Wiki always reminds me of trying to breakdance to some electro track in 79/80 which went: 'wiki wiki'. Can't remember what it was. Everytime Wikipedia is mentioned the track comes into my head. It drives me mad.rockmotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939586655533001122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150237628209865982006-06-13T23:27:00.000+01:002006-06-13T23:27:00.000+01:00Best bootleg ever by my overly obsessive judgement...Best bootleg ever by my overly obsessive judgement, but what do i know? You only have to listen to my own efforts to answer that one.<BR/><BR/>And I've never heard of the Spiral Tribe. So mits off my fiver, you scoundrel. I have however heard of the Illuminati, and am a little too keen on the KLF.Delhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10804947827499336453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150230329082341392006-06-13T21:25:00.000+01:002006-06-13T21:25:00.000+01:00In lieu of an intelligent comment, can I offer thi...In lieu of an intelligent comment, can I offer this <A HREF="http://www.ezarchive.com/afreelander/AlbumSpace/2KVL8790VJ/A%20Stroke%20of%20Genius.mp3" REL="nofollow">Christina Aguilera vs The Strokes mashup</A>?Anniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15941917503687179585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150220551541855682006-06-13T18:42:00.000+01:002006-06-13T18:42:00.000+01:00What was number two? Or was it so hot that you cou...What was number two? Or was it so hot that you couldn't count?<BR/><BR/>Frangelita: tut tut for dropping the words 'Welsh' and 'incest into the same sentence...Tabby Rabbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04287486091942622336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150215218114544952006-06-13T17:13:00.000+01:002006-06-13T17:13:00.000+01:00Add some liver and you have yourself a nice casser...Add some liver and you have yourself a nice casserole.Arabellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01976792737020577126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150200459304298162006-06-13T13:07:00.000+01:002006-06-13T13:07:00.000+01:00Bacon and onions was about all I got.Bacon and onions was about all I got.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403853324345062446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150200350069989442006-06-13T13:05:00.000+01:002006-06-13T13:05:00.000+01:00Still no TV?Still no TV?Aginothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03593749625105192550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150192893150673342006-06-13T11:01:00.000+01:002006-06-13T11:01:00.000+01:00I don't understand any of these comments.Except Pe...I don't understand any of these comments.<BR/><BR/>Except Peanut's, which made me laugh very loudly for a long time.<BR/><BR/>I do appreciate the concept that it's Google who actually owns my blog. <BR/><BR/>It's like all my friends who tell me that they have bought houses. It's the Halifax/Nationwide/Whatever who actually OWN it until you've paid the mortgage off. Or something.Spinsterellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08611660308963083276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150187102272316932006-06-13T09:25:00.000+01:002006-06-13T09:25:00.000+01:00>>something that sounds as though it comes out of ...>><I>something that sounds as though it comes out of Hiawatha</I><<<BR/><BR/>Ah yes, well, being all Web 2.0'd up, I can tell you EVEN WITHOUT LOOKING that 'wiki' (which now means a web page that anyone can edit) comes from some sort of native Hawaiian phrase 'wiki wiki', meaning 'fast'. Apparently.<BR/><BR/>Bacon knew his onions, alright.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150184404384372282006-06-13T08:40:00.000+01:002006-06-13T08:40:00.000+01:00Ah, rockmother, would that I were writing somethin...Ah, rockmother, would that I were writing something so interesting. In fact I was writing more about how we don't own the space that we create our blogs in. So our blogs (blogspot ones, anyway) are at the mercy of Google and its global domination strategy. Which effectively means that someday (very soon I reckon) we will all have to carry ads and thus we will be co-opted into 'working' for Google for no money. [Insert lengthy Marxist whinge here].<BR/><BR/>Of course what I know about Marxism, economics and the relations of production can be written on the head of a pin, so the essay (which is now finished, hurrah!) is a work of utter rubbish. Heigh ho.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150143747704438192006-06-12T21:22:00.000+01:002006-06-12T21:22:00.000+01:00Re: Patroc - what your chapter is about: that remi...Re: Patroc - what your chapter is about: that reminds me of film/semiotics theory - signifier and signified. Sounds very interesting. There is also a big debate in documentary circles that once you tell your 'story' you don't actually 'own' it anymore. Sounds similar to what you are trying to say re: blogging. Interesting. But how do you reconcile the fact that some people must create blogs that aren't actually 'them' in the first place ie: men that blog as women et al....rockmotherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939586655533001122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150140377768806782006-06-12T20:26:00.000+01:002006-06-12T20:26:00.000+01:00why do people WANT to think that collections of in...why do people WANT to think that collections of individual agreement are going to spontaneously spring into hideous, self-directed life and start rampaging over the countryside stomping cows? talk about magical thinking...!<BR/> personally i love it when the paradigm get all in a bunch over any incursion of new, brash young upstart BAD POTTY LIAR authoritative charlatans who are JUST WRONG bad toilets. different day....FirstNationshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13387748372500478809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150136692744113992006-06-12T19:24:00.000+01:002006-06-12T19:24:00.000+01:00That mash-up thing is tops, BTW.That mash-up thing is tops, BTW.James Henryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16604261370633794445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150127892057272642006-06-12T16:58:00.000+01:002006-06-12T16:58:00.000+01:00I really wish you would write Dan Brown's next nov...I really wish you would write Dan Brown's next novel for him. It would be a damn sight more entertaining.Wyndhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06682812260329010391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150125979227471642006-06-12T16:26:00.000+01:002006-06-12T16:26:00.000+01:00Still at it, my friends. Now at 3,340 words, whic...Still at it, my friends. Now at 3,340 words, which is NEARLY ALL OF THEM, and only seven hours over deadline.<BR/><BR/>I like the sound of Sir Ydred. Mine is 'eblgya', who was probably a minor Anglo-Saxon female saint.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150125644414218812006-06-12T16:20:00.000+01:002006-06-12T16:20:00.000+01:00Yes, did you finish the essay?wv: ydred - some kin...Yes, did you finish the essay?<BR/><BR/>wv: ydred - some kind of welsh mythological Arthurian character who was doubtless involved in incest and witchcraftfrangelitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11233841524982204314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150125430736525712006-06-12T16:17:00.000+01:002006-06-12T16:17:00.000+01:00chuffy - try mailer daemons (and the associated ho...chuffy - try mailer daemons (and the associated hopelessness of people re updating their email details). I've just had a good vent at them and feel so much better for it.<BR/>p - is your essay now officially late? And still unfinished?Smathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01001981110308457546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150124424076298742006-06-12T16:00:00.000+01:002006-06-12T16:00:00.000+01:00Sandi Thom and her lack of lyrical prowess? Thame...Sandi Thom and her lack of lyrical prowess? Thames Water's botched attempts to replace the Victorian water main in W12? The mysterious hole that opened up in the middle of Chiswick High Road in the night, prompting 10-mile tailbacks on to the M4? The list is...fairly short and localised, to be honest.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150123100003411002006-06-12T15:38:00.000+01:002006-06-12T15:38:00.000+01:00Fair enough. I'm making the mistake of having an a...Fair enough. I'm making the mistake of having an argument with *you* about some things that *other* people think. And I do know some who look upon Wikipedia in much the same way as a mullah looks upon the Koran.<BR/><BR/>But what with Telewest having offered entirely faultless service over the last six months, I need a subject for my ire. Any suggestions other than 'The Wick' (as the kids may or, more likely, may not call it)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150120935593152152006-06-12T15:02:00.000+01:002006-06-12T15:02:00.000+01:00>>useful though it sometimes is, it often comes ov...>><I>useful though it sometimes is, it often comes over as an elaborate Schott's - first stop as a lazy argument-settler but no more than a first step to getting the nuances of a subject</I><<<BR/><BR/>But isn't that just what it's used for? I can't think that I use Wikipedia for anything other than trivia and looking up musical genres (which of course is vitally important research and not trivia at all). For anything else, it's a starting point, but nothing more.<BR/><BR/>On closer investigation it seems that it's only Jaron Lanier and Kevin Kelly that call it 'the' Wikipedia. Perhaps, as members of the 'Reality Club', they are privy to élite, occult knowledge about other, fake Wikipedias, from which the 'real' one must be differentiated.<BR/><BR/>Must stop now before I've written Dan Brown's next novel for him.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150117886325733612006-06-12T14:11:00.000+01:002006-06-12T14:11:00.000+01:00The fact that "people need to 'use' wikipedia, lik...The fact that "people need to 'use' wikipedia, like they need to 'read' the media" kind of underlines its problem.<BR/><BR/>It's impossible to know how to accurately "read through" a source that has different (anonymous) writers and amenders of various quality on each subjuect, and has no guiding editorial policy. I'm far more comfortable researching something through books, newspapers, conversations and google-found websites, from which you can gather authorial context and voice to go along with what's been said, and also *know* when something is complete bullshit, and then collate these voices using my own judgement. 'The' Wikipedia spoonfeeds and allows no room for that judgement to play. Discussions on this board will, combined with other sources, contribute more to my opinion on Wikipedia than will, say, the Wikipedia article on 'Wikipedia' (predictably labrynthine though the meta-wiki commentary is, by the way, it has no mention of the elite referring to it as 'The'. Is there a secret portal for them?)<BR/><BR/>It's attempting to be as definitive as the OED and as democratic as usenet, but this is simply not a possible combination (it may even be closer to opposite) and, useful though it sometimes is, it often comes over as an elaborate Schott's - first stop as a lazy argument-settler but no more than a first step to getting the nuances of a subject, after which you can disregard most of what it's already told you.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, it's one thing using reader-response theory to judge a work of art or a novel (I swore by it as a student, but that's because I didn't like doing any work. I'm now more of the opinion that it's an inadequate trope if you're reacting to a piece with any seriousness, but that's another story), it's something else again to go all Left-Bank intellectual when judging a person or an event. That's the way the Gulf War never happened. However the technique is supposed to get the pretty young Parisiennes into bed, which is probably why it still has some currency.<BR/><BR/>Apologies for unchuffylike length and sobriety. Back to pop-culture gags next time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1150113264585469052006-06-12T12:54:00.000+01:002006-06-12T12:54:00.000+01:00Dave: Oh, I see what you mean now. However, I have...Dave: Oh, I see what you mean now. However, I have a lot of 'issues' with the idea of the reliability of information in general. <BR/><BR/>As far as I know, the only really serious gripes about 'the' Wikipedia' have been voiced by individuals complaining about the way they themselves are represented in it. So Jaron Lanier doesn't like the fact that he's constantly referred to in Wikipedia as a film-maker, but to borrow a point that Tim made a couple of posts ago, that's how he's perceived by (some) other people, and who's to say which is more 'true' - the way one perceives oneself, or the way one is perceived by others? He did *make* a film, after all, so it's not untrue to say he's a film-maker, just because he himself is embarrassed about said film and would prefer everyone forgot about it. <BR/><BR/>My own view is that for the most part, the information in Wikipedia (and everywhere else, like in the media, for example) is 'true enough', if not 'absolutely true', but then I'm a bit wibbly-wobbly like that. It's still a useful resource, and people can always correlate with other sources if they're in doubt. Maybe people just need to learn how to use Wikipedia, like they need to learn how to 'read' the media, and so on...<BR/><BR/>PEANUT: I always suspected Bernard Cribbins was away with the fairies. Not to mention the Wombles.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.com