tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post114301491384809568..comments2023-11-02T12:15:47.847+00:00Comments on Quinquireme: Only A Few Hours Ago, In A Galaxy Quite Close Bypatroclushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143118329401437962006-03-23T12:52:00.000+00:002006-03-23T12:52:00.000+00:00Ahh, smoo2, lovely to see you back!I wonder if tha...Ahh, smoo2, lovely to see you back!<BR/><BR/>I wonder if that synchronisation thing works virtually. That *would* be interesting. There's a conversation for the boxes if ever there were one!patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143108624323757952006-03-23T10:10:00.000+00:002006-03-23T10:10:00.000+00:00Scroobius - offer to teach 'em. Or knit in your lu...Scroobius - offer to teach 'em. Or knit in your lunch break and see who stops to admire.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143107594188710212006-03-23T09:53:00.000+00:002006-03-23T09:53:00.000+00:00You could read Debbie Stoller's book(s) for her ta...You could read Debbie Stoller's book(s) for her take on it (in amongst the handy instructions), on reclaiming it as a craft and various other things. <BR/><BR/>I suspect the Internet might have something to do with changing perceptions - instead of just knitting patterns in magazines your gran gets, or specialised mags from the yarn companies, now there are also mailing lists for people to swap ideas and arrange to meet up, blogs everywhere talking about it and people posting their own patterns. Demystifies it and offers help for anyone who wants to knit but doesn't know anyone else who does.<BR/><BR/>In my case, my old housemate taught me a couple of years ago, then I couldn't think of anything I wanted to knit, then new flatmate started again and I found the SnB books. Plus it is very hypnotic once you get the hang of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143100644018022462006-03-23T07:57:00.000+00:002006-03-23T07:57:00.000+00:00Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if the Damenkol...Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if the <I>Damenkolonie</I> organises itself differently from a predominantly male commercial environment.<BR/><BR/>As for <I>olé olé</I> middleware, that's not actually far off, as OLE (object linking and embedding) was a primitive - and rubbish - form of Microsoft middleware. Oh, it all links (ha) in a Neal Stephenson words + technology + culture-type way.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143050786157498352006-03-22T18:06:00.000+00:002006-03-22T18:06:00.000+00:00it's just when you say 'a self-organinsing female ...it's just when you say 'a self-organinsing female community isn't something you see a lot of in life' that my eyebrow lifted a millimetre. It's axiomatic: females involved = organised. <BR/>And as I grew up in a home with only women, no other men folk (but I was only a baby for some of the time) that was all I saw. But true, it does revolve around kids. Me and the three girls and our two mums. Is that a community? We all lived in one place.<BR/><BR/>Aaaaaaaaargh<BR/><BR/>*runs from the room, clutching ears* <BR/><BR/>Actually I was very happy then. <BR/>If somewhat over organised.<BR/><BR/><BR/>*Tips That at Chuffy*the Beephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478236239902656990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143049402390283962006-03-22T17:43:00.000+00:002006-03-22T17:43:00.000+00:00Oo, entropy and Scroob, do you have any theories o...Oo, entropy and Scroob, do you have any theories on why knitting suddenly became really popular?patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143049044254981922006-03-22T17:37:00.000+00:002006-03-22T17:37:00.000+00:00Good example, Entropy. Why didn't I think of that?...Good example, Entropy. Why didn't I think of that? And why don't I have more knitters in my office?ScroobiousScrivenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296296817546419827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143047856793999502006-03-22T17:17:00.000+00:002006-03-22T17:17:00.000+00:00Example of self-organising *mostly* female communi...Example of self-organising *mostly* female communities: the Stitch 'n' Bitch movement. Mind you, if no-one can make it again this week I'm probably giving up on the work one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143044080600665832006-03-22T16:14:00.000+00:002006-03-22T16:14:00.000+00:00Most women's blogs seem to be self-organising fema...Most women's blogs seem to be self-organising female communities - in that my comments usually get ignored, while the ladies chat amongst themselves.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403853324345062446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143042160818673452006-03-22T15:42:00.000+00:002006-03-22T15:42:00.000+00:00Yes indeed, very sorry UC, I didn't mean to sound ...Yes indeed, very sorry UC, I didn't mean to sound all disparaging there. I blame my non-maternally-inclined inferiority complex. Damn you, non-maternally-inclined inferiority complex!patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143040515726503562006-03-22T15:15:00.000+00:002006-03-22T15:15:00.000+00:00My experience of nuns consists mostly of one year ...My experience of nuns consists mostly of one year lived in a convent school (I didn't attend this school, my (un-nunly) mother worked there). Observing the nunly staff of four, I formed a rule that I have never yet seen disproved: young nuns are lovely and sweet and Maria-like, but with age they become increasingly bitter and sadistic. I think this tells us all we need to know about the enjoyability of a life without men. At least, one organised top-down by a patriarchal and misogynistic church. A self-feminising community (thanks Urban Chick!) would no doubt be *much* better.ScroobiousScrivenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13296296817546419827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143039867860508242006-03-22T15:04:00.000+00:002006-03-22T15:04:00.000+00:00OK, speaking as a resolutely non-maternal type, do...OK, speaking as a resolutely non-maternal type, does anyone have any examples of self-organising female communities that don't revolve around kids?<BR/><BR/>...is the kind of question I never thought I'd find myself asking.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143039027722990232006-03-22T14:50:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:50:00.000+00:00i've seen a number of self-organising female commu...i've seen a number of self-organising female communities both online and IRL, as marsha says, mostly kiddy-related<BR/><BR/>or did you say self-feminising communal organisations? 'cause i've seen a lot of them tooUrban Chickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04692332227897168182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143038228321753442006-03-22T14:37:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:37:00.000+00:00Like Groucho and his clubs, I certainly wouldn't t...Like Groucho and his clubs, I certainly wouldn't trust any Encyclopaedia that I'd written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143037790528760692006-03-22T14:29:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:29:00.000+00:00Oo, hey Chuffy! Er, but isn't the whole point of ...Oo, hey Chuffy! Er, but isn't the whole point of Wikipedia that you can edit the bits you don't like? Not that I've ever tried.<BR/><BR/>I do like the phrase "meaningless intertextuality will destroy that place", though. Maybe in the latter days of WW2 we should have launched an attack of meaningless intertextuality on Der Fuehrer's bunker!patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143037472632024172006-03-22T14:24:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:24:00.000+00:00I know it was a typo, but the idea from the beep's...I know it was a typo, but the idea from the beep's post about "hat female communities" must surely connect somehow, and possibly be written up into a Margaret Atwood fable.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile...in "reasons I hate Wikipedia"...why must the phrase "the term middleware is often considered a buzzword" hyperlink to "buzzword"? Why not link it to "term" too? Sheesh. Meaningless intertextuality will destroy that place, and if my fist could reach as far as Stanford, then whoever wrote that entry would learn the definition of regret, without even having to look it up.<BR/><BR/>Maybe one day there'll be an trustworthy encyclopaedia with a consistent style and tone and an editorial team of experts and, oh, right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143037322480113032006-03-22T14:22:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:22:00.000+00:00I was required to visit a convent on a fairly freq...I was required to visit a convent on a fairly frequent basis a few yaers ago (for work purposes) which involved, <I>inter alia</I>, eating in the canteen with a load of penguins (in absolute silence).<BR/><BR/>It was one of the most unsettling experiences in my life. After my third visit I started bringing a packed lunch.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08403853324345062446noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143036087383573762006-03-22T14:01:00.000+00:002006-03-22T14:01:00.000+00:00Marsha, glad to hear you're in a positive mood. Bu...Marsha, glad to hear you're in a positive mood. But what is a char-lady, exactly? I've never been sure.patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143028503296845792006-03-22T11:55:00.000+00:002006-03-22T11:55:00.000+00:00Sorry, that first bit should read:(very, no "rathe...Sorry, that first bit should read:<BR/>(very, no "rather" - I'm in a positive mood). At least I think it should...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143028360236917962006-03-22T11:52:00.000+00:002006-03-22T11:52:00.000+00:00In my (very, rather - I'm in a positive mood!) lim...In my (very, rather - I'm in a positive mood!) limited experience of life self-organising female communities tend to revolve around the care of young children (go Playgroup mums!) and when the children grow up we all go back to being organised, top-down, by men (so to speak!). Anyway, this discussion reminded me of Spike Milligan's, sadly untried, solution for bringing a speedy end to WW2, which was to drop a plane-load of British char-ladies on the Fuhrer's (sp?) bunker!! A splendid image, I think you'll agree and eminently laudable into the bargain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143025539282150452006-03-22T11:05:00.000+00:002006-03-22T11:05:00.000+00:00I think it's the enforced singing that really does...I think it's the enforced singing that really does it for me.cellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17061833787120469657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143024432196910742006-03-22T10:47:00.000+00:002006-03-22T10:47:00.000+00:00Oo no, I imagine being a nun as like being in the ...Oo no, I imagine being a nun as like being in the Brownies, but far, far worse. Uniforms! Hierarchies! Rules for this and that! Enforced singing! Awful.<BR/><BR/>Hence the emphasis on self-organising, rather than organised "from above".patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143024008766229512006-03-22T10:40:00.000+00:002006-03-22T10:40:00.000+00:00I have often thought how lovely it would be to be ...I have often thought how lovely it would be to be a nun. Lots of amusing pals, an inspiring yet stress-free ambience, simple tasks, regular healthy meals and cosy, warm clothing. I am imagining it like The Sound of Music - but without the Nazis - rather than The Magdalene Sisters.<BR/><BR/>There's just the little problem of lots of religion and no sex (with men), but otherwise it would be perfect.cellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17061833787120469657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143023766090319972006-03-22T10:36:00.000+00:002006-03-22T10:36:00.000+00:00Beep: You can probably live a full and satisfying ...Beep: You can probably live a full and satisfying life without ever taking an interest in middleware, but <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middleware" REL="nofollow">this Wikipedia entry</A> may help to make up your mind.<BR/><BR/>You were brought up in a self-organising female community? All sounds very John Wyndham. Tell more!patroclushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933476561340044351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3607123.post-1143023352927135562006-03-22T10:29:00.000+00:002006-03-22T10:29:00.000+00:00Middleware?Is that something I need to be interest...Middleware?<BR/><BR/>Is that something I need to be interested in?<BR/><BR/>Do you meant hat female communities are not normally self-organising, or you don't see a lot of female communities? Says he who was brought up in a completely organised female community and is in no way bitter.the Beephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478236239902656990noreply@blogger.com